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Sunday, July 23, 2006

black for me

i am against the notion of god

why god is what u define it

i believe religion is what causes so many problems in modern society

all of us have something in our mind that we use to explain our existence

so that is god

erm i dont have anything in my mind that explains my existence

except science

so i dont have a god

so science is your god la

that isnt a definition for god

hahah

i dont like other pple to give me a definition

i dont believe in any supreme being

to use a word

ok la to use a word

you have to make sure that word has a common understnading between ppl

right?

otherwise what is the purpose of the word if it means different things to different ppl?

then it defeats its purpose as a word to convey information

but some people do use god in that sense

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/god

those who do not believe in god

they say

collquially probably

money is their god

but not in the proper sense

haha

as long as u understand me why bother about the dictionary

why cant we set our own rules

but i dont understand you, you see

hahah

so you believe our existence is due to a supreme being?

why is that so?

i do not

i do not have any idea what our existence is due to

indeed no one has and probably no one will

everything would be a speculation

haha pple have what is call faith

i disagree

faith is different from speculation

or scientific theories

scientific theories are based on existing prf

as well as experiments

faith is belief beyond speculation

precisely

t take the bible's word for it

who is to say the bible is really the word of god?

to them

they say it is god

well aniway

how do t know hwether it has been translated properly from hebrew to english?

t go around quoting the bible as if it was written in english

to argue theology is like pitting your own faith against your own faith

i'm arguing from a neutral scientific standpoint

i believe in hard facts

because hard facts are there for everyone to see

and observe

you cannot deny that there is no sun

the truth and the most fundamentals ar enot there for us to observe

unless u possess extraordinary abilities

like u cannot observe electrons everyday

i dont understand you

in fact not many pple have observed that

yes but there is scientific prf that it exists

u dont observe electromagnetic waves

and that it is observed as both a wave as a particle

haha again

who are u to take a book's word for it

well the prf is there

ok let me reiterate

scientific prf is something that can be recreated and re-observed

did u not read that in some science text book?

that is something concrete

well

can you recreate the events of the bible

or

or did u conduct the experiment it self?

prove to me that it happened

haha

if i had the resources i could

the fact is that i can recreate it

the children of god would say only god can do it

if i wanted to

haha

so isnt that flawed?

no

coz u cannot have the resources

so u cannot create it

how do you know it happened in the first place?

show me the prf

god and the bible?

so why are you arguing with me?

u asked me questions and i answered them

haha coz u dont believe that god exists

they believe that god exists

but what is incredible is that you both argue the same way

in what way?

manner la

the same absolute belief

conviction

you are actually very wrong

there is a lot of difference

between absolute belief in science and in religion

of coz there is a world of difference

then what are you saying?

why do you link me to them? by saying we argue the same way?

say if u say that to a christian

do u think he will stand up for his god

when u ask him for proof

do u think he will quote fromt he bible

ok

anyway

bible is an edition of a bk that has undergone countless chagnes

i like one thought

no one knows who wrote the bible

nor does anyone know its authencity

say u ask me how can i think there is god

i answer

that is different from a scientific paper

look at the sun

look at the flowers and look at the life teeming around you

is that not enough proof that god exists/

no it isn't

are u saying that we are here as a result of one infinitely impossible accident

there is no linkage?

why not?

there are infinite possiblities?

everything is random

if u are prepared to accept that life is an infinite possibility

if everything is right why cant things happen?

plus the theories that there are infinite parallel universes

why can t u accept that life is created

well

because you have to show me the prf

no one has ever conclusively disproved the existence of god

there is prf that a random event can cause life to exist

there is science

definitely

ahh

yes

why cant god create science

no one can ever prove the existence or non-existence of god

why cant god give a reason to everything

isnt that the easy way out?

you can just link everyting to god

everything that happens

and shut your mind off

u can also link everything not to god

linking everything to god

doesnt mean we allow ourselves to stop finding out what causes the things to happen

i believe linking everythign to god can cause you to have a narrowed/obstructed view of the world

a lot of great scientists and world leaders believe in god

true, but are you sure their views are accurate?

world leaders? i dont respect them

their views may or may not be accurate

great scientists? do t dare to approach the subject of evolution or the start of life for that mer?

but what they have done

yes but i am comparing science to religion

their achievements their contribution to humanity

yes t have contributed

haha why cant science be part of religion

but consider this

if god created everything

if there was no religion to the world

is science not part of religion

a lot of present problems would not exist

and science and technology would have improved tremendously

but to have science and technology

with moral restrains

can be disastrous

let me ask you something

what is morality?

morals can exist without religion

t are not linked

its an illusion that religion is linked with morals

i cannot say they are linked

all i can say is religion do have its set of morals

true

so do culture

and morals is a human concept

if your religion told you that killing is gd

but we canot postulate a world without religion

you accept that its something you should do

but hardly any religion tells u to kill

why cant we postulate a world without religion

haha name me a doctrine in ani religion that tells u to do evil?

or against societal morals

why are there islamic extremists then?

there are tons of cults with their own religoin

i believe it is man's mis interpretation

t also believe in a god

isnt that religion?

is it really misinterpretation?

you may be misguided

if you were taught since birth to believe in something

is that really wrong?

then how would science help

religion can be interpreted in many ways

if they are taught from young

what are you to say that one is the proper way

and the other not proper?

is that culture or is that reliigion

say

a religion is when u believe in a god

i am not saying science would help if it was taught young

i am saying if there was no such thing as religoin

the world would probably be better

people will still be taught

will be given views

racism

there will always be differences

if it is not over god

it could be over skin color

it could be over sex

we are human

how would you know that the biasness of skin colour didnt originate from the presence of religion?

basically all of us races are only minutely different

but due to the ignorance of science, people start believing in a superior race

every one believes himself to be unique

yeap and?

so?

so even without religion

people will and know they are different

yes

but probably t would be more tolerant?

hah probably probably not

how would u noe

how many of current wars of the world were sparked off by religion?

in the us do you know certain states do not teach evolution and teach creationism instead?

how many wars were sparked off by national interests by political instability

the russian revolution

blood october

the red revolution the communist party of china

therefore i am commenting about hte modern world

i am talking about now

in our current society

the taiwan and china tension

the shrinking world

is there a place for religion?

with current technology and science

possibly explaining almost anything

is there a need for religion?

haha apparently there is

there is because it originated long ago

and its a tradition to be passed down

and old traditions cannot be just eradicated like that

how modern do u want modern to be

100 years or 10 years

how do u know that in the future 20 or 30 yeras

wars wun break out over national interests

say the past 100-50 years where science has taken a great leap ahead

over racial differences

therefore i am referring to current world

which of the current wars are due to national interests

or conflicts for that mer

except for north korea

the rest are all islamic states vs the rest of the world

no one wants another war

i doubt anyone wants to destablize by invading one another

because the world is already so small

the sacrifices are t big

haha so is the assailant responsible

or is the knife responsible

who dares to launch a nuclear missile?

so u are saying all murders would stop if we take away the weapons

nuclear weapons belong to the states

am saying no one dares/wants to aggravate another country by means of war

yet war still occurs, mainly due to islamic militants?

i am not syaing islam is bad

but why has it come to such a state?

could it be caused by the prescnece of religion?

there are still plenty of islamic states which are peaceful

yes true

why is it not due to the leaders

but t have used religion as a weapon

without a chrismatic leader

you think killing the leaders would help?

to use religion is useless

without religion

u may prevent some wars

but can u prevent the loss of sanity of those who lost their support in life

u take away religion and attribute everything to science

but t are using religion

is life still valuable

i kill u

i can clone another u

to convince these ppl that by sacrifcing their life to kill t will be going to heaven/paradise

so it is the problem with these people

problem now is that no one has yet successfully cloned a human being

these people who are bent on killing because they believe

they can reach heaven

but how many people believe in that

enough to cause problems

enough to create conflicts and angst in the world

are u really convinced that there will be less problems in the world

splitting it mainly into the western and islamic worlds

if there were no religion in the first place

but i believe if there are more free thinkers

or at least if more leaders were free thinkers

there would be less problems

of coz

probably religion served a purpose earlier in humanity

to band ppl together

to give them faith

i believe in the case of usa

to explain things that coulndt be explained

but now? is there a need for that?

we always believe that we are at the edge of things

no one believed in planes

are we that technologically advanced?

but a clone isnt exactly you

definitely

because what makes a person unique

toher than the genetic makeup

is the life experience

twins for example

same dna

but can turn out so different

so when you are klling someone

its more than the biological body you are destroying

it is the soul

the collection of memories and expericne

and emotions

religion believe that the body is non essential but the soul is what matter s

no one can exactly define what a soul is

its a concept formed in our brain

are we not believing science because we choose to

prove to me our soul endures when our biological body dies

no science is valid for everyone to see

are we not believing religion because we choose to

isn't it?

can religion be seen?

can u explain to me

if god appered to me

using science

i would believe in religion

u can tell me what is an atom

u can tell me

an atom can be defined

and explained

and show me how much it weighs

but the origin cannot be explained

yes

because time travel is not possible

yes i can show you its mass

so science is just like a textbook

no it isnt

and so is religion

it can be recreated

as i said again

yah u say it can be recreated

and many different ppl from all over can prove and achieve the same results

can religion claim that?

if it is the rules of god

they definitely would be constant

is that not why when u repeat experiments

u get the same results

what makes two masses attract each othjr

can science explain that

science can tell u

tell me the origin of the rules of god and why everyone practices the same thing

and they will pull

it is because everyone follows the bible

in science we dont follow some writing

we observe

the bible does not denounce science

test

and we get a result

bible

theere are results

there are conflicts between teh bible and science

they feel god

do we only have 5 senses

what about emotions

what about our thoughts

the reason why two masses are racted to each toher is because t both disrupt the space-time fabric

by a small amounts

so when t are sufficently close there is gravitational force

and do u know that scientific rules may be rewritten?

senses are how we receive information from the external environment

u repeat the same experiments

u get the same results

yes theories can be corrected and rewritten

but if u use more precise techniques

u get a clearer idea

true

what makes u think at the end of it all

can you say the same about religion?

we cannot get proof that god exists or not

how do you make it more precise?

can it be tested?

can it be re-butted

can it be renewed or double checked with

just like senses

what are they

neurons receiving external signals

emotions and thoughts are caused by neurons within ourselves

so aint both equally valid

i never said emotions and thoughts were invalid

so pple who believe in religion

they feel and they know logically

there must be a god

that is what i call blind faith

they use their experience

they use their knowledge

therein lies their problem

limited knowledge

we have limited knowledge

clouded view of knowledge

even in science

yes

so what is good

but without religion dont you have a more unclouded view of religion?

i mean of the world

are you getting offended or pissed off?

people do not use religion to explain why light travels at 3 x 10^8 meters per second

they accept science also

yes

why cant u have both

certain aspects of science

i am not pissed la

but not all

t chse what to believe

even for their own religion

t chse what to believe and follow

i am saying it is important we respect people's beliefs

even if they choose to blindly believe

i never said i dont respect their beliefs

so there must always be religion

i just find it flawed, and sad sometimes

because that is what pple want

yes it is what ppl want

but why the flaws all the time

but is it the best for hte world

for humanity

there are the wonders of it

there is stravation

yes religion can be great at times

there is epidemic

suffering

but it now, in modern society, it is causing more problems than solving problems

and yet more and more ppl are chsing to believe in christianity

why?

is it the easy way out?

why do t end up with clouded judgement?

i have many gd friends of all religions

why do we say it is causing more peoblems then it solves

we do not know how many problems religion has solved

tell me what problems religion has solved

we do not know how weak people will become

if their religion is taken away from them

why not let the weak perish?

is that wrong?

if i am a weak person

do u think i will agree with u

let me perish

in view of humanity as a whole

is your life worth more than mine

why not let the weak perish?

i am posing questions here

because we may the weak

i do not believe in the ideology or anything

because they may be our friends

just questioning

yes

because if we know them

but why cant you take a step back

and view it as a "sacrifice"

we will realise they are the same as us

lk at the big picture

:what big picture is there if all the small parts are destroyed

the weak small parts would be destroyed

but the strong small parts will remain

and reproduce

yes? no?

then the standards will be raised

and we still have to keep destroying people

but we are not to destroy

isnt that what nature has been doing all along?

we are not here to sacrifice others

i am not saying to destroy

but to chse not to help

:u noe what

i just heard a ringing phone

out of no where

neighbour?

i am in my room

cannot hear anithing

i mean

yah

it is freakish

lets discuss another time

haha ok ok

face to face woudl be better

i gotta sleep

same here

haf to be in schl by 9:

hahah

i decided not to go

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